Génération Do It Yourself

Retrouvez l'épisode en version française ici : https://www.gdiy.fr/podcast/ivan-zhao-vf/"We try to be not innovative."That's how Ivan Zhao built one of the most innovative products of this decade.Notion isn't a spreadsheet.It's not project management.It's not a CRM.Ivan calls it "the LEGO for software".Born in rural Xinjiang, China, where electricity arrived when he was 8 Ivan now runs a $10 billion company used by more than 100 million people.At 17, Ivan left China for Vancouver.At university, three worlds collided: art, philosophy, and computing. That last one led him down a rabbit hole, he dove into the history of the web, then the history of computing itself. There, he discovered a forgotten vision that would become Notion.But Notion's origin story isn't about disruption. It's about bringing back that vision: computing should be as universal as reading and writing.While most startups chase feature lists, Ivan spent 5 years chasing that bigger idea. This path nearly killed the company. Ivan rebuilt Notion